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22/11/2010 09:11
 

Hello, I am a bit dense when it comes to numbers, yet need to enter them (obviously) for my effectiveness review. So want to check that I'm entering data correctly.

When I have a comparison, pre-post test study, do I then enter pretest results under one outcome (called for example attendance - pretest) and then posttest results under another (attendance - posttest)?

At the moment I also have some studies without a comparison group. I have then put the pre-test into the 'intervention group' column and posttest into the 'control group' column. Is that right, or will that make problems for the analysis?

Would be good if the user manual could explain the 'classifications' bit in 'outcomes'. Apologies if it already does - I couldn't see it and I don't understand what that is.

Also, I wonder why, when I choose the outcomes options (this is in the pop-up box when entering outcome data), each outcome is listed at least two times and often more?

Finally, what is the best way of organising my outcomes in the code system? At the moment, to be one the safe side, I have both codes for the outcomes, then I have codes for the comparison group and for the intervention group. But presumably, I do not need the comparison and intervention group codes because this is all in the outcomes codes? I'm just struggling to figure out how to best enter data to support a 'smooth' analysis.

Hope this makes sense!

Best wishes,

 
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22/11/2010 23:30
 

Hi Kristin,

Thanks for your questions - I'll have a go at answering each of them in turn:

1. Pretest/posttest studies. You need to have one of the following:

  • Total N; difference in means (pre-post); the standard deviation of the difference in means (pre-post); correlation.
  • The size of the group and the t value for the difference in means and the correlation (often imputed!).
  • The size of the group and the p value for the difference in means and the correlation (again, often imputed).

If you have the above, it's possible to calculate a standardised mean difference. The ability to do this is in EPPI-Reviewer 3 at the moment and I can add to ER4 any time - so can get this in this week if you need it. The statistic that is often not reported is the correlation, so reviewers either have to guesstimate, ask the authors or leave the outcome out altogether. If you impute a correlation, it's usual to do a sensitivity analysis, seeing whether estimating different values changes your results.

2. Studies with no comparison group: as above, you can enter these manually, or I can put the necessary code online soon. (I know you know this isn't the most robust study design!)

3. Outcome classifications are codes that you specify in your code set to be 'outcome classifications'. These codes then appear on the right-hand-side of the outcome entry screen for selection against specified outcomes. They are useful if you want to categorise outcomes when, for example, you have the same outcome assessed with different measurement tools, or in different subgroups. They then appear in the 'single' reports so that they can be used as covariates in analyses conducted outside EPPI-Reviewer. We have some documentation and screenshots on their use, so these should make their way into the manual soon. In the meantime, I can email you what we have on this.

4. I'm not sure what the outcomes options pop-up is? All your outcomes appear the right number of times in their various listings as far as I can see.

5. In terms of organisation, you can apply codes at the review level and at the outcome level. You probably want to have some categories that apply to both (broad categories of interventions, outcomes, comparisons, for example), and some (the outcome classifications, mentioned above) that give you a more fine-grained approach to categorising outcomes.

I'm happy to talk all this through of course!

Best wishes, James.

 
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23/11/2010 08:27
 

Hi James,

Thank you for your reply, it's very helpful. However, I'm still unsure about inputting data. Basically, where do I put the pre and post test measures for each group?

If I have a comparison study with pre and post-test measures and want to enter this into ER4 as an outcome measure: do I first enter pre-test measures for the intervention and comparison group, then as a different outcome enter the post-test results? In the window that comes up when creating an outcome it is only possible to enter one measure per group, whereas obviously I want to enter the before and after measures, for each group.

Similarly, with before-after studies, do I then put the pre-test results under the 'intervention' and the post-test results under 'control'? Or should I create a new 'outcome' so that I only put pre-test results under intervention group, then create a new outcome and put the post-test results for the intervention group?

Oh dear, I'm probably confusing something that's very simple!

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by applying codes at review level versus outcome level. But I think the reason why I get a lot of the same outcomes listed in the pop-down menu is that I've created several outcome codes with the same names, under different headings. I should probably tidy that up, but it is to do with me not fully understanding how the outcomes function would work when it comes to actually doing the analysis - I could probably do with a quick tutorial - will get in touch.

Best wishes, Kristin

 

 
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24/11/2010 22:53
 

Hi Kristin,

Re the outcomes, you should have one outcome record per comparison, so if your comparison is pre-post, there should be one record. We can go through this tomorrow if you want? We can have a look at the data you have available and see what the best way forward is.

Re outcome classifications, we'll get some text into the manual this week. Essentially, codes are descriptors that are usually applied to studies (e.g. 'This study had a population with characteristic x'). However, sometimes the characteristic doesn't apply to the study, but to the outcome. For example, some studies I know of that promoted fruit & veg intake among children measured their success in terms of portions per day as well as calorific intake. When a study has done both, you'd want to be able to tell the difference between their measurement tools; this is what classifications for outcomes are for, as they apply to outcomes, rather than the study as a whole. (We could code the study as a whole as using both portions per day and calorific intake, but that doesn't help us distinguish the outcomes.)

Does this help? James.

 
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07/12/2010 12:12
 

Hi James - sorry for this late reply but like I said I'm not going to pool the studies I'm working on right now. Hope to pool another batch later, and will get in touch then. Thanks a lot for all the advice above, Kristin

 
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